Modeling Amps????

[timpm78]

I am looking into buying an modeling amp with 2x12's and 100+ watts. The two I have heard and think sound nice are the Valvetronix Modeling Amp (AD120VT 120W) and the Fender Cyber-Twin Amp. I wanted to get some feed back to see if anyone had any experiance with both or any ideas on a better solution.

Thanks
Tim
Austin, TX

[The Fury]

I don't really know all that much about amps, but check this post out.

www.cyberfret.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=357

Somebody certainly likes the Cyber-Twin, lol.

I dont know if that helps any, but it's something to consider.

[timpm78]

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[ESP_Viper]

Check out the Line 6 flextone IIs and the new Line 6 Vetta. The Vetta is 60 watts though. OR you could go with a Line 6 POD and a power amp and cab. I haven't played a cybertwin though. Check out the Johnson Millenium, that's a pretty sweet amp too.

[timpm78]

I had listen to both the Line 6 and the VOX and I thought that the VOX seemed a little cleaner. I still have yet to compare it to the Fender but I will also look into the Johnson Millenium.

Thanks
Tim

[timpm78]

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[mjamer]

I have a cyber twin (wifey got me one for christmas!). The cyber twin isn't a modeling amp or an emulator like how you're thinking. It actually has tubes and capacitors, and when you change amps from say a twin reverb to a bassman, the actually signal path changes on how the current (?) flows through the tubes / capacitors in effect recreating the old vintage amps, all of the knobs (trim, gain, volume, bass, middle, treble, presence....) all work as if you were on the original vintage amp. On top of that it has it's own built in digital effects unit. I could ramble on and on, but you can read for yourself at www.fender.com/cyber, there's also a video that comes with the amp explaining things and doing demonstrations.

There's just a difference between the cybertwin and a modeling/emulating amp. The guy on the video says it something along the lines of "those kinds of technologies are a snapshot of a vintage amp/cabinet in a specfic moment in time, when you adjust the tone /gain or any of that on those, you're doing it to that snapshot, not to the amp... with the cybertwin, you're changing that sound as if you were on the original amp".. if that makes sense to you =)

mjamer

[timpm78]

Thanks for the clarification on the Cyber-Twin, I was also looking into the Cyber Deluxe. What are your thoughts on the Cyber Deluxe vs the Cyber-Twin, I am just using it to play around nothing heavy?

Thanks
Tim

[ESP_Viper]

The line 6 amps look a the wave form of the originals and recreate that. The Cyber Twin uses two 12AX7A preamp tubes to create the tones of the model you're emulating. They are both modeling amps because they aren't the original but claim to sound like the original. I am sure the cyber twin rebiases the tubes when you go to different models to get that tone. Which is better? Well it's up to you. The line 6 doesn't have tubes that will go bad after a while. With modeling amps it's sometimes harder to get that true tone with tubes, all because that original sound it's trying to recreate is relationships between the amp's tubes and power supplies all reacted to eachother. Like old fenders, they have all tube pre and power sections, and they have the power supplies to go with them, all of that together has that tone. The cyber twin has all different electronics and transformers and all that which cannot get that original sound. It can come close, but the purists will say it's not the original.

Get what sounds good to you, what you want to spend. It's going to be a very long time until the modeling amps will be able to recreate that original amp tone. There are so many things that affect the tone in an amp. Some things come very close, and some things you think What are they smoking?!

I for some reason have no interest in the cyber twin, nothing really grabs me with it, don't know why. I am trying to get my own unique tone that I will absolutely love, not try to get some old tone, which would be cool to have though.

[timpm78]

Has anyone heard or played with the Fender Cyber-Deluxe?

Thanks,
Tim

[saminga_warrior]

I baught a Cyber Twin about a month ago and i love it.
when you go to a preselect sound yes its not exack but you can tweek the sound to get that exack. sound your looking fori i love my cyber.