question on modes

[iommi]

Hello all,
can someone tell me How i should go about playing a D dorian scale throughout the neck...

A dorian scale has the formula 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 compared with its major scale

So can i take all the shapes of a D major scale and flat the 3rd and the 7th..that would mean I play a D dorian throughout the neck,right?

another question is if i can do the above then each shape will be starting from a different note of the scale..So does that mean the dorian mode itself has modes?

please help me as i am totally lost

[smfulla]

from my limited modal knowledge

1st question: yes you can do that.

2nd question: yes modes do have modes of themselves

please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure thats right man

[iommi]

thnaks for the help mate...i've another doubt as well.

So i have my D dorian scale derived from the D major scale
By flatting the 3rd and the 7th

D scale

-9-10--12-
---10--12--
-9-11--12-
-9-11--12-
-9-10--12-
----10--12-

D Dorian (obtained by flatting the 3rd and 7th from the above)

-8-10-12
--10--12
-9-10-12
-9-10-12
-8-10-12
----10-12

So if i play it at the required frets..it becomes a D dorian scale if the first note i play of is thought of as the root..it i think of the 10th fret on the D string as the root it becomes The dorian mode of the C major scale?

why does the scale pattern differ from the one on cyberfret for a Dorian mode

[XenoWang]

The reason why the patterns differ is because there are multiple fingerings for every scale and arpeggio. They're all the same notes, just different placement in relation to the frets and strings. As long as the correct notes are hit and the player's comfortable with what pattern he or she chooses to use, then it's all good.

[Andrew]

To your question about modes of modes, you wouldnt really say that there are modes of D dorian, since D dorian is a mode of C major, and any mode of d dorian will just be a mode of C major.

[Wes_Powell]

The lessons here at Cyberfret are interesting because they explain modes the way I learned them. That is, the intervallic pattern remains the same (the pattern of whole and half steps) no matter where you move the pattern to. So, D to D with no sharps or flats is the intervallic pattern for the Dorian mode in C and the pattern would remain the same in other keys as well.