Help with standard notation PLEASE!

[adam3291]

If you have a minute, can you please go to the link I've included below and explain to me the G. I obviously understand the picture but the G clef illustration has me wacked out.

Here's what I think:
1. It's a G because it's positioned above the F on the scale.
2. First sting because it resting on the first line

3rd fret?? How would you figure that?

I'm just getting into standard notation and I'm trying to understand it. If some could explain how to read this correctly I would appreciate it.


http://www.cyberfret.com/reading/first-string/standard/index.htm

[cyberfret]

1. It's a G because it's positioned above the F on the scale.

Yes

2. First sting because it resting on the first line

No

You are probably used to reading tablature in which the lines represent the strings. Standard notation makes no reference to strings or frets. That particular G can be played on the 1st string 3rd fret. Not to confuse the issue, but that same note can be played on the 8th fret of the 2nd string, or the 12th fret of the 3rd string. Play them and you will here that they are the same. But learning to read in the first position (the 1st 4 frets) is the best way to start learning to read standard notation.

So the fact that a note is in a line or space will have nothing to do with the string that it is played on. What you do is learn what the name of the note is on the staff.....just memorization. Then you learn where that note is on the guitar....in the first position as a starting point. So for now, when you see that G note sitting right on top of the staff in standard notation, you will play the 1st string 3rd fret.

hope that helps

If you have any more questions on reading standard notation, post them over in the reading music forum. We will get you straightened out :)

--Shawn

[eische]

:confused: but that's .....wrong????.....the G (which is the written »G« (in capitals you know)) is just that one on the first string (hmm, E-string) third fret. The other ones mentioned are the »g« (one octave higher) and is easy to remember, because it's the open g-string.

So the »G« is a bass-note and is not inside of the standard five lines of the notation system, but will have extra lines underneath the others. The bass-»G« will be below the second helping-line under the normal five.

The other »g« will be on the middel-line inside of the five-line-system. And there is, what you write a »g'« (another octave higher than »g«). This one you will find on the third fret of the sixth string (hmm, e-string). In the notation-system it is laying on the highest system-line (without a helping-line added).

I hope you are not totally confused by now, but it is really very simple once you related the notes to the sounds.

yours

eische

[cyberfret]

eische.....hmmmm....I am confused?

You are talking about piano octave indications.....with middle C being "c1' and octave lower being "c", an octave lower being "C". The guitar is a transposing instrument in which all of the notes sound an octave lower than written. The only place I have ever seen specific octaves referred to as C...c....c1...c2 is for keyboard. For guitar you will not refer to the notes like that, or at least not and have anyone understand what you are talking about. If you are referring to the G that is sitting right on top of the treble clef, there are many ways to play this note on the neck of the guitar. So what I said, is correct. I think you must be coming from a piano background. On the guitar there are multiple places on the neck to play the exact same note.....same octave. That open G on the 3rd string can also be played on the 5th fret, 4th string.....or 10th fret, 5th string....or 15th fret, 6th string.....alll the same G.

--Shawn

[eische]

yes of course you have more oportunities to play that note, I was just too lazy to type them all down, so I chose some examples, which I thought would be the easiest to find.

I'm not coming from any background, just the normal school-education on music, but you were not just saying that you don't have any octave-differences on the guitar, did you???? - so why do you step back from the standard notation of the G', G, g, g'...and so forth.
Of course the guitar sounds lower than the well-temperated piano :D , but I'm always ok following the system (I take the middle-c from the piano as the c I get on the h-string (is it in english-speaking countries a b???) first fret, and I'm quite happy with the sounding of the songs, it's even the easiest to sing along with).

yours

eische