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Paragons7
01-31-2006, 09:29 PM
I thought I would post a lesson on modes since people seem to be asking so much bout them

A mode is the organization of notes within a scale reorganized into another order for this well use Cmaj its the easiest to understand

First each mode has its own sound its own personality ill rearrange the modes in order of "brightness"

Ionian - Same as the major scale

Lydian - A scale with a sharpened 4th

Mixolydian - A scale with a flattened 7th

Dorian - A scale with a flattened 3rd and 7th

Aeolian - Same as a natural minor scale. A scale with a flattened 3rd, 6th & 7th

Phrygian - A scale with a flattened 2nd, 3rd, 6th & 7th

Locrian - A scale with a flattened 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th & 7th


from here you can see what gives each mode its own unique sound

if you know your circle of fifths you should have no problem with modes

Cmaj= 0 sharps or phlats

Gmaj= 1 sharp F

D= 2 sharps F G

A= 3 sharps F G C

E= 4 sharps F G C D

B= 5 sharps F G C D A

F= 1 phlat B

Bb= 2 phlats E B

Eb= 3 phlats E B A

Ab= 4 phlats E B A D

and so on there arnt alot of keys to learn you best learn them :mad: its not hard just dont be lazy :D anywho back to the lesson on modes

now one thing I see alot of people say is modes are constructed from the major scale BUT!! They are as well constructed from the minor scale just thought I'd get that out of the way. Each Scale has its own pattern the major scale is I ii iii IV V vi vii0 the minor i ii0 III iv v VI VII each mode is constructed from a degree of each of these scales

Major Modes= I=Ionian ii=Dorian iii=Phrygian IV=Lydian V=Mixolydian vi=Aeolian
vii0=Locrian

Minor Modes= I=Aeolian ii0=Locrian III=Ionian iv=Dorian v=phrygian VI=Lydian
VII=Mixolydian << just think backwards from the major scale on the sixth degree


now each mode has chords that it sounds best with when played against

Ionian= Maj,Maj7,Powerchords

Dorian= Min,Min7,Powerchords

Phrygian= Maj,Min,Powerchords

Lydian= Maj,Maj7,Maj7#11,Powerchords

Mixolydian= Maj and most 7th chords

Aeolian=Min,Min7,Powerchords

Locrian= Diminished Triads or Min with flattened 5th

These arnt absolutes you can go absolutely crazy with modes dont feel limited by these "rules" they are just tools to help if you dont want to use them all the way thats your choice well have fun thats the end for now

next I plan on Accuracy is Speed ;)

Paragons7
02-25-2006, 12:19 AM
I thought I would post a lesson on modes since people seem to be asking so much bout them

A mode is the organization of notes within a scale reorganized into another order for this well use Cmaj its the easiest to understand

First each mode has its own sound its own personality ill rearrange the modes in order of "brightness"

Ionian - Same as the major scale

Lydian - A scale with a sharpened 4th

Mixolydian - A scale with a flattened 7th

Dorian - A scale with a flattened 3rd and 7th

Aeolian - Same as a natural minor scale. A scale with a flattened 3rd, 6th & 7th

Phrygian - A scale with a flattened 2nd, 3rd, 6th & 7th

Locrian - A scale with a flattened 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th & 7th


from here you can see what gives each mode its own unique sound

if you know your circle of fifths you should have no problem with modes

Cmaj= 0 sharps or phlats

Gmaj= 1 sharp F

D= 2 sharps F G

A= 3 sharps F G C

E= 4 sharps F G C D

B= 5 sharps F G C D A

F= 1 phlat B

Bb= 2 phlats E B

Eb= 3 phlats E B A

Ab= 4 phlats E B A D

and so on there arnt alot of keys to learn you best learn them :mad: its not hard just dont be lazy :D anywho back to the lesson on modes

now one thing I see alot of people say is modes are constructed from the major scale BUT!! They are as well constructed from the minor scale just thought I'd get that out of the way. Each Scale has its own pattern the major scale is I ii iii IV V vi vii0 the minor i ii0 III iv v VI VII each mode is constructed from a degree of each of these scales

Major Modes= I=Ionian ii=Dorian iii=Phrygian IV=Lydian V=Mixolydian vi=Aeolian
vii0=Locrian

Minor Modes= I=Aeolian ii0=Locrian III=Ionian iv=Dorian v=phrygian VI=Lydian
VII=Mixolydian << just think backwards from the major scale on the sixth degree


now each mode has chords that it sounds best with when played against

Ionian= Maj,Maj7,Powerchords

Dorian= Min,Min7,Powerchords

Phrygian= Maj,Min,Powerchords

Lydian= Maj,Maj7,Maj7#11,Powerchords

Mixolydian= Maj and most 7th chords

Aeolian=Min,Min7,Powerchords

Locrian= Diminished Triads or Min with flattened 5th

These arnt absolutes you can go absolutely crazy with modes dont feel limited by these "rules" they are just tools to help if you dont want to use them all the way thats your choice well have fun thats the end for now

next I plan on Accuracy is Speed ;)

Spelled flats wrong

Dave=retarded

Scruffles
02-25-2006, 12:24 AM
Phucking awesome.

lordgrudge
02-25-2006, 12:47 AM
ionian brighter than lydian? hmmm

Paragons7
02-25-2006, 12:54 AM
ionian brighter than lydian? hmmm

How many mistakes did I make? Thanks for pointing that out I went by memory which I guess wasn't a smart move.

xsureshotpunkx
02-26-2006, 12:01 AM
thats interesting. that helps with picking scales for leads and suck. thank you for that.

Galadithin
02-26-2006, 02:38 PM
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great lesson man


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rock on!

Apple-Joe
02-28-2006, 03:46 AM
Informative lesson. Interesting about the Ionian vs. Lydian controversy regarding the brightness. Lydian is a semi-tone brighter, theoretically, but I sometimes think it has a minor/gloomy sound, somehow. Probably due to the naturally unstable sound of the augmented 4th interval. While the perfect 4th interval of the Ionian, on the other hand, sounds very smooth... and hence 'brighter', at least to me. That said, I have not explored the Lydian mode to the fullest yet.

lordgrudge
03-01-2006, 11:41 PM
Informative lesson. Interesting about the Ionian vs. Lydian controversy regarding the brightness. Lydian is a semi-tone brighter, theoretically, but I sometimes think it has a minor/gloomy sound, somehow. Probably due to the naturally unstable sound of the augmented 4th interval. While the perfect 4th interval of the Ionian, on the other hand, sounds very smooth... and hence 'brighter', at least to me. That said, I have not explored the Lydian mode to the fullest yet.

Trying to explain to someone what a scale sounds like is like trying to describe how something should taste... you can't just say it tastes good:p

Apple-Joe
03-02-2006, 05:28 PM
Yes, it's quite subjective.

Malcolm
03-02-2006, 10:04 PM
That is perhaps the best two pages on modes that I've seen. It's now in my hard drive saved as: Modes one of the better papers on the subject.

Paragons7 -- I'm sure I will be quoting your information, I'll give you credit for perhaps the first four or five times, but, after that I'm sure I will forget I got it from you and take credit as if it was my original thoughts. Sorry, but that is just the way it is........

Paragons7
03-03-2006, 01:58 AM
That is perhaps the best two pages on modes that I've seen. It's now in my hard drive saved as: Modes one of the better papers on the subject.

Paragons7 -- I'm sure I will be quoting your information, I'll give you credit for perhaps the first four or five times, but, after that I'm sure I will forget I got it from you and take credit as if it was my original thoughts. Sorry, but that is just the way it is........

no problem at all im just glad some people find it useful

dupe24
03-03-2006, 11:56 PM
I think this is a better way to see how modes are based off scales.

OF course you can start with any scale but this one is obviously A

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a87/anim8er/modes.jpg

zack
03-06-2006, 08:02 PM
I never quite understood how a Phrygian with flat 2nds, 3rds, ect. could fit over major chords...

lordgrudge
03-06-2006, 11:05 PM
I never quite understood how a Phrygian with flat 2nds, 3rds, ect. could fit over major chords...

uhh quite simply infact....any scale works over any chords, its whether it sounds good or not. Listen to some gypsy songs or flamenco cause they tend to use phrygian, remember its basically a minor with a flat 2nd

Paragons7
03-07-2006, 12:48 AM
uhh quite simply infact....any scale works over any chords, its whether it sounds good or not. Listen to some gypsy songs or flamenco cause they tend to use phrygian, remember its basically a minor with a flat 2nd

2nd, 3rd, 6th & 7th

lordgrudge
03-07-2006, 03:24 AM
2nd, 3rd, 6th & 7th
minors already have a flat 3rd, 6th and 7th

zack
03-07-2006, 07:04 PM
I simply meant its interesting how minor chords go with the minor scale yet major chords go with phyrgian...

Apple-Joe
03-09-2006, 04:40 AM
I simply meant its interesting how minor chords go with the minor scale yet major chords go with phyrgian...

What do you mean? A major chord as tonal center for a progression in Phrygian or Aeolian would sound strange. However, major chords might appear both in Aeolian and Phrygian, but not as tonal center.