note names ,tab,scales

[satch]

Most of you probably have your own tricks for mapping out note names
from tab.......so heres mine.

......................................note name
.....................................+19
.....................................+15
......................................+10
......................................+5
.......................................note name


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--------2--------------------
------3--------------5---------
----4------------6-------------
-------------7----------------
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....14..18..21....12..16...20.............
reduce by 12
....2....6....9.....0....4......8......these numbers represent=e string note names
...f#...A#...c#...e....g#...c.......
every note is only played once here...so finding key is up to you.
.......f#....g.....g#...a...a#....b...c....c#....d ....d#....e.....f
.......0.....1.....2......3...4.....5...6.....7... ..8....9.....10.....11
thus.......0....4.....7.....10......2.....6....is our scale from f#
looks like.....F# bebop dominant is one option.

We can also find any note name from any position.........
Lets find a c#......close to 3rd position

formula........3 + ? = 9
answer=6
any note a chromatic 6 from 3rd fret off low e
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--------4----------------
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we could also do an inversion.......6 up = 6 down from high e 3rd fret
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chromatic intervals can solve all your scale/key/note name/chord woes
music is math:-).....but mostly art

[satch]

oops......bebop dominant with chromatic 6 out note
whole tone with chromatic out 7......

I think it works a lot better to map out entire song
and label how many times ea. note is used
the most used note could be our reference/key note to derive the intervals
from.
Its a whole lot of work and time and i can see why most dont bother
and simply use their ear.Someday i will get to a point where i instantly know
where all the scales are ......yeah when im 90....lol
Ear savy players make me sick with envy.
Hendrix didnt need all this work but it is a labor of love i guess.

[Scruffles]

I know plenty of music theory and obviously, you do too, but some of your number system confuses the hell out of me. :confused: :confused:

[satch]

found an easier way to do all this and its so simple!
Instead of trying out keys........simply make your own by concentrated
listening.Satriani nailed it when he said"Listen to the relationships between the intervals"...I never really knew how to apply that but it hit me like a wall
last night and theres no turning back.Im dropping all other systems and doing it this way.
All you have to do is this.........................
As im listening to Super Collosal by satriani of course i simply choose
1 string and confine my area to 12 frets.Play all 12 notes against the song
Listening for notes that fit the song directly and if theres only 4 or 5
that fit then simply throw in 1 or 2 more but listen to the overall mood
of the notes.Those extra 1 or 2 notes determine the flavor.
Now you have built a scale that works in a particular time frame.
These notes are what worked
............1......2....4....6...8...9.....11
These are tab notes(frets)on D string
Now lets build a scale formula from that string
..........0....1....3...5...7....8....10.......in D#


--+11-------11---0--2---4---6--7--9---------------------------
----5--------4----5--7---9--11--0--2--------------------------
----9--------8----9--11--1---3--4--6----------------------------
----2--------1----2---4--6---8--9--11--------------------------
----7--------6----7---9--11--1--2---4----------------------------
--+11-------11---0---2---4---6--7---9-----------------------------

the 7 2 9 5 in left column is a constant and never changes
the 11 represents e string root key......D#
If you add ea. string constant to the 11(in this case)+scale formula you get
all the tab notes for the scale you built.
You can see all kinds of patterns/chord shapes etc that you can use.
Try those tab notes against the opening theme of super collosal
and you will see what i mean.You obviously need to create more scales
as you go thru an entire song and throwing in out notes is fine also.
Also moving patterns you build in 1st octave to beyond 12th fret
gives you full spectrum.

[RTS]

Neat the different systems people use.I find it interesting.Once you have the basics of TAB down you actually have the ability to learn the notes direct with the same amount of effort.As advanced your showing your systems to be there is no reason you can't just learn to read music direct. Yes Tab is a easy way to start but for the effort your putting into tab just the sheets themselves would be fast to pick up on.

I have met alot of people who have read tab for years then they sit down and within a few days pick up on the sheets after I press them.I call it Note sheet fobia .It just looks confusing but its simple.Neat system though. If you practice for a bit you can actually just read the sheet music and play to it in real time. Good comment on it being "Art".

[wild_axeman]

Satriani nailed it when he said"Listen to the relationships between the intervals"...

"Though thinking of a mode as being the same as some other major scale is a very useful learning device, it is only when one fully understands and internalizes the sound of each mode’s intervallic structure that one will master the modal concept." - Joe Satriani (http://www.guitarlodge.com/forums/guitar-bass/showthread.php?t=28603)

:alien:

[xxjohnboy]

Heya Satch. You could make things easier to read and understand by typing things using the The code function

this will make each character the same width so everything will line up.

to do just type what i have written below (minus the spaces between characters)

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