Helf mir!/Help!

[WayOutThere]

Okay, long story short, I have odd music tastes. I recently began learning guitar, and enjoy playing along with CDs. I listen to Die Toten Hosen; a German punk-rockish band. When i check on the 'net, I find chords, but they always contain an "H-" something chord. Ex.:

A D
Man staunt und denkt, "verdammt noch mal"
Hm D E
Sowas von schön ist nicht normal.
A D
Die meisten Menschen sind nicht schön
A D
Sie haben eine Scheiß-Figur
A D
Sie haben keinen BMW
Hm D E
Und noch nicht mal Abitur.

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Having learned the chords in English, I don't know what it is. So I'm fairly lost. If anyone has heard the song and knows, or can "translate" the chord for me, I'd greatly appreciate it.

(Ich habe Deutsch in der Schul gelernt, und so mache ich viele Fehler, aber:

Ich will meine Gitarre mit meine ,,Unsterblich"-Speilen, so finde ich Akkorde an den Internet. Aber ich habe Akkorde auf Englisch gelernt; aber weiß ich nicht, was der H Akkord auf Englisch heißt. Also, möchte ich bitte der Tablatür(ist es richtig?) dafür. (Wie, der Tablatür von "C" ist: |0-1-0-2-3-0|, und D ist |2-3-2-0-x-x|.) So, möchte ich bitte das. Vielen Dank!)

[jaytee]

hallo WayOutThere!

Vielleicht kann ich dich mit dieser Frage helfen.....auf Englisch!

i know i saw this somewhere else.....im not exactly for sure but I believe that H is just the European way of signifying B.....I'm fairly certain you can just substitute....

if kitara happens along any time soon perhaps she can either say I'm wrong or I'm right....but for now....

i know i saw this somewhere...i thought maybe it was at http://12bar.de which comes out of germany...but I couldnt find it there so maybe not....its a good site to look at for anybody tho...it's mostly clapton/blues based but also has good lessons...but be warned they take a LOT longer to read/process than any of shawns lessons here...

--jt


ps i bet kitara could also correct our bad German...hahahaha

[bobcat]

Good Day!

JayTee is correct that in German:
H = B natural
B = B flat
Cis = C#
Ces = C flat
Cisis = C double sharp
Ceses = C double flat
Es = E flat
As = A flat

:p

[kitara]

The tab for a H:

e 2
a 2
d 4
g 4
b 4
e 2

Hey, by the way, that's really cool to read German written by an American ... How long have you been learning?

-kitara

[cyberfret]

While we have a German representative here :) Is H the primary way that you would designate a B chord in Germany? Or do some German's use B and some use H? Is there ever any confusion as to whether a chord is a B or a Bb.........since in German a B is a Bb?

also kitara....be careful when writing tablature. The 6th string should always be the lowest string and the first string should be the top.



You wrote:

e 2 ----6th string
a 2
d 4
g 4
b 4
e 2 ---- 1st string




It should be written:

e 2 ---- 1st string
b 4
g 4
d 4
a 2
e 2 ---- 6th string


--Shawn

[jaytee]

i dont know about wayoutthere...but i am guessing he loves his german dictionary as much as i did when i was in school...hehehe (btw wayout...do yourself a BIG favor and dont get dependent on the dictionary...but you sound like you are doing great so far :) mistakes are to be made...and LEARNED FROM! )

personally...well actually...i have a bachelors degree in foreign language with German as my main language and Japanese as my 3rd (altho i forgot most my japanese haha)...it's a 4 yr degree but it took me 8 years to finish because..well..life takes twists and turns you dont expect (for me... marriage...child)....right now my degree will get me into grad school for something unrelated..social work...but thats about all i will use it for...

anyways....i studied German for about 12 years...and along the way picked up some exposure to japanese, finnish, spanish, french, italian...i cant remember them all i never had to learn them...just some of our linguistics classes were mixed..for exposure reasons...

--jt

[WayOutThere]

Well...I began in 8th grade, and I've been learning for three years. I enjoy learning it, I just hate the classes--there is always at least one smartass who refuses to shut up and is only in the class because he/she doesn't want to take the alternative class to a foreign language. (I'm not quite sure what it is; I haven't taken it.)

But, unfortunately, I rarely get a chance, out of school, to actually converse in it. One of my friends is taking it, but he's a grade behind me.

Yes, the dictionary is a big help. In my classes, I've become known for always having one on hand--if a kid doesn't know a word, they ask me, and I'll answer, given that we aren't working on a test. But I'm not dependent on it--I just use it to find the words, then figure out where to go from there. I also cross-reference the words to make sure they're the right ones, too.

And also, thanks for the answers. I'll have to find those chords to play along with next time.

Tschüß!

[jaytee]

very cool wayout :)

its funny...EVERYBODY in my german courses were smartasses in high school..haha...we gave the teacher hell every day....

[kitara]

Yes, the H is the the German standard for what you call B. I don't know anybody (but me) who uses the English way sometimes.

At the beginning this difference was really confusing to me, because everything sounded wrong. But know I got used to it. I'm even more used to the English music explanations than to the German ones :) It's really hard to "switch" from B to H during music lessons when you always use English Guitar sites at home (I don't really know a German site that is comparable to cyberfret ;) ...). Sometimes, I even can't find the German words for special "guitar vocabulary". It comes automatically to me to say Drop D-Tuning, fret, etc. That's really strange sometimes ...

I'm sorry with the tablature ... Entschuldigung :D

[Problem Child]

Kitara, I understand your problem; I got the same. I'm Polish, but I live in Austria at the time. The problem is that English guitar sites (which means Cyberfret) is my only source of guitar wisdom. I got some friends in Austria and in Poland who play guitar, and I hardly can communicate with them when we're talking about our guitars. The only guitar-related word I know in German is "Gitarre". In Polish it's a little bit better, but not much. And, yeah, I also found out that the B chord is a H, and the b string is called h as well. I think that this are only German, not European names. Don't ask me why.

[kitara]

Short time ago, I heard that the German notation developed in its "special" way, because during the Middle Ages a monk (is this the right word? I mean those christian people with funny clothings :)...) did a writing mistake: cdefgah instead of cdefgab. And that's it, just a stupid little mistake causes all this confusion ...

Of course, I'm not sure if this story is true, but it is a nice explanation ...

[eische]

where do you have that from??????

- I mean, if it is really a medieval thing, then it might be a misreading of later days (an h and a b in medieval handwritings are very close together and easy to be mixed up)
- but on the other hand it could not be that much medieval (renaissance at the least (that is around the middle of the 15. century) because the notation-system (neumes) was completely different in that times, and so was the naming of the notes, it was (as I know it) based on the italian »so re mi la......«


and a.......just in case you didn't see it kitara, aber kenn ich dich vielleicht vom viva2-forum????? (meckerliese):rolleyes:

[kitara]

I don't know, I just read it somewhere ...

It might be possible, because as far as I know, the "neumes" as you called them already developed to a notation which is very close to the one that's used today in the12th or 13th century.

In case, I don't really believe in it at all, but it's curios somehow.
It's just like: "And what do we learn from it? Don't mix up notes or do writing mistakes in music, 'cause that will trouble all the following generations of musicians ..."

By the way, eische: Kann gar nicht sein, weil ich in dem Forum noch nie war ...

[eische]

----- original message by kitara -------

I don't know, I just read it somewhere ...

It might be possible, because as far as I know, the "neumes" as you called them already developed to a notation which is very close to the one that's used today in the12th or 13th century.

>> hmmm, seems that I learned something different, like: first »neumes«, especially for gregorian songs (they are added to the lyrics as a hint for the leader of the choir), then a four-line-system (that looks very close to our system and should be located in the time-period you mentioned, but doesn't have length-signs and a different tuning (don't ask me which)) and after that at the beginning of the 14th century they added the fifth line and make it our system.......
>> well, I studied mediavistics, but not the musical side, so I'm just relating to a lecture I heard once - maybe I got the times mixed up, as well......:rolleyes:

In case, I don't really believe in it at all, but it's curios somehow.
It's just like: "And what do we learn from it? Don't mix up notes or do writing mistakes in music, 'cause that will trouble all the following generations of musicians ..."

...but the thing is, it could be a reading mistake - and as we don't know when, it might be done on purpose to make a difference between some proud-to-be-german-bigheads and the rest of the world.....

By the way, eische: Kann gar nicht sein, weil ich in dem Forum noch nie war ...
>> hmm, dann war das da eine andere Kitara :(, naja, hätt' ja sein können - ich hab nur gefragt, weil die das Forum geschlossen haben. Eine erste Reaktion der Schließung von viva2.....(dachte ich treffe vielleicht alte Bekannte);)