MASTER OF PUPPETS, The Second Main Solo

[MadMattUK]

Ok guys can anyone play this solo? One thing that confuses me about the solo is in bar 9. In the official tab book it has smthin about:

"This note is produced by pulling string off edge of fretboard, 'fretting' against the pickup. TAB numbers notated an octave above pitch."

First of all what the hell is 'fretting' against the pickup?

Second of all throughout bars 9 and 10 is Hammet using an octave pedal to get those high pitch notes or is he fretting against the pickup all the way through????!!

Please help me, i love this solo and it aint too difficult either!

:D

[fizz]

I cant say anything really! I dont think its an octave pedal, Im sure its a Pinch Harmonic tho.
And man its a great solo! I should take the time to learn it really :D

[ohz]

didnt that song have the world record for the fastest solo in the world at one time? that solo is awesome and so is the song. sorry i cant realy help.

[MadMattUK]

No way man it aint that fast! The start is deceptive but i can play it now up to speed, the rest of it confuses me, the whole octave part. Play the start slowly at first then build up speed:

-----17p12-----------12-17p12- and so on.
-----------13-12-13-----------
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[JiMi=GoD]

Think ill give that one a go, metallica are great.

oh yeh did you find out about that: "This note is produced by pulling string off edge of fretboard, 'fretting' against the pickup. TAB numbers notated an octave above pitch" ive never heard of pullin it of the edge of the fretboard unless it means a pull off?

rob

[MadMattUK]

Its in the official Master of Puppets TAB book. I think it only refers to one note tho. The 13 or F, but when u pull the string off the fretboard u get the equivalent of 22 or D. But im not too sure if this refers to the following notes, anyone know, please help? Im pretty sure its an octave pedal.

Im almost the master of Master :D

[Mr B]

I know Joe Satriani (Hammett's teacher) does a thing where he pulls the string up off the fretboard and lets it snap back down, but I'm not sure about the fretting over the pickup, it can probably be done with a slide though

[The Fury]

What you need to do is fret the string against the metal pole peice of the pickup. First you have to pull the string off the side of the fretboard, then touch the string to the pole piece. Be carefull, it may break the string.

[MadMattUK]

LOL i dont wanna break my strings i cant afford a new set! Ill give it a go wish me luck........
:D

[MadMattUK]

Hold it... what exactly is the pole piece?

Please point it out on my guitar: Its on this site click PRODUCTS, then 00 SERIES and its the 006 ELITE

http://www.schecterguitars.com/ds_home_fl.htm

Does Hammet use this 'PICKUP' technique through Bars 9 and 10, (the really really high notes) or does he use pinch harmonics or an octave pedal......?

[The Fury]

Erm, you're screwed. Your guitar doesn't have pole peices (that's not a bad thing, it's just the way the pickups are made - but you won't be able to perform this trick)

Pole peices are the visible parts of the magets of the pickups. Check this out: http://www.fender.com/gear/gear.php?partno=0101002 - see on the pickups, there are six little metal bits under each string? That's your pole peice.

I'm not into metallica, so I don't know if you can get the sound another way (pinch harmonics or whatever)

[MadMattUK]

Hey r u sure mine doesnt its the 006 ELITE not the 006 ?

[fizz]

What..but kirk uses emgs, they dont have visible pole pieces?

[JiMi=GoD]

not all the time, ive seen him play strats etc not sure what else but well ive seen him play single coil pickups. he has a beaten up sea green strat for one example.

[fizz]

To play Master Of Puppets, Not to play i disappear or whatever.
Ive only seen him use an EMG equipped esp!

*ponders*

[JiMi=GoD]

hmmm your probably right, sound a bit of a strange technique to do anyway ill download a video and watch it.

[The Fury]

Yeah Matt, I was looking at the 606, sorry. Yours does have pole peices, so go for your life! Just do what I described.

As for Hammet only using EMG's - I havn't got a clue. But that's what "fretting against pickup" means. Maybe it works if you touch the casing or whatever EMG's have - I dunno.

[JiMi=GoD]

lol it remains a mystery to us all!
maybe we should get kirk on the cyberfret forums!?

hehe that would be cool...maybee he lurks around secretly...


possibly!?

[fizz]

Hahaha. That would be well good.
Sad thing is if he signed on as Kirk_Hammett or whatever, Id never in a million years believe that it was him.

[MadMattUK]

LOL that would be cool...

Ok boys here goes nothin...
Get ur guitars out and play that solo!!

Oh yeah do u guys alternate pick the second riff bit ?

A---------2--------3--------4------- etc
E---0--1-----0--1-----0--1----------

[gud4nothing]

yeah. I use alternate picking here. it's quite comfortable and "fast". but you'll get the actual sound by doing a downstroke( i think). by the way, about that solo, i think its pinch harmonic.

[MadMattUK]

But how can u down pick that riff it just aint possible to get the right speed without bustin a few blood vessels!!

[fizz]

Oh its possible alright :)

Youll get it eventually. The important thing is to play it slowly then go faster slowly.

[MadMattUK]

i guess its worth a try!

[MadMattUK]

My problem tho is that when i down pick for a continious period of time my picking arm siezes up whereas alternating feels more natural and 'light'. Its weird coz a lot of my crappy friends can only downpick and thats all they do but when they try alternating they sieze up. I guess its just practice or is there a secret formula ??

E=mc^2 no....

[JiMi=GoD]

E=mc^2 no....


Lol dont think so..its some thing like

master of puppets=practice like a bitch

[ohz]

didnt take me that long to learn the song and ive only been playing a month.

[JiMi=GoD]

oooh! Now arent you the man!

:p

[MadMattUK]

Hey guys i found this on the net if u guys are trying to play the solo too:

" I used a Mesa-Boogie Mark 2C amp and a black Randy Rhoads custom Jackson guitar. For the four-bar fill at the beginning of the song, the rest of the guys wanted something high and screeching, but I came up with something a bit more percussive and riff-like, a flatted fifth-type figure. I got this real raunchy, over distorted sound which clashed well with the tight rythm sound James had. James played the first solo in that song, which is a great solo. I worked on the next solo for a couple of days - getting it tight was a real task for me. While recording the track, my hand accidently pulled a string off the neck, and it grounded on the neck pick-up, giving me something like a high D. It sounded like I slid up to a super high note that isn't even on the neck, so we left it. For the next solo we used backwards guitar parts. To get them I played a bunch of guitar parts that were in the same key as the song and laid them down on quarter-inch tape. Then we flipped the tape over and edited it, so we had two or three minutes of backwards guitar. We put it in the last verse of the song."
Kirk Hammet

[JiMi=GoD]

Some good info there!

where did you find it?

rob

[MadMattUK]

http://www.encycmet.com/

[JiMi=GoD]

wow a whole encyclopedia site on metallica! im impressed!

[MadMattUK]

:D Its a pretty awesome site!

[Agalloch]

Alas, encymet is my favorite of all the metallica sites.

[Pick]

In the studio recording of Master of Puppets, Kirk used a Jackson Rhandy Rhoads V. (I own the Guitar World from March 2002 in which he talks about some of his solos.)

These are his exact words: "When you listen to the solo, there's this weird sound right after the mellow part where it sounds like I'm hitting a superhigh note in the midst of my phrasing, like I'm fretting the string agaisnt the pickup. Well, what happened was, I had accidentally pulled the string off the fretboard! You know how you take an E string, you pull it down toward the floor away from the neck? I accidentally pulled down on the string, and it fretted out on the sid eof the fretboard. We heard it back, and I was like 'That's brilliant! We've gotta keep that!' Of course, I've never been able to reproduce that since; it was a like a magic moment that was captured on tape. That was one of my most favorite things about that guitar solo. I thought I had screwed the solo up by accidentlally pulling on the string, but once I heard it back, I thought it sounded great. That was definitely a keeper!"

I hope that helps :)

[Pick]

Oops... I just read the first page then replied, I totally skipped the 2nd and 3rd page. Please excuse my stupidity...

[MadMattUK]

Well i borrowed the Cliff Em All album from a friend and when they play Master of Puppets Kirk uses pinch harmonics(it sounds poor) so if ur gonna play the solol ull have to use pinch harmonics as some ppl in this thread suggested (well done!)but an octave pedal would work. Lol at pick!!

[JiMi=GoD]

Lol @ pick :D :D

Anyway yeh i heard the cliff em all, i downloaded the live video and it sounds like he uses pinch harmonics and it sounds horrible! really harsh on the ear.
jmo

rob

[locouis]

I used to own the Master of Puppets book...and i can tell you..THAT's what it says
....FRET AGAINST PICKUP

I have a friends who's the fastest MOST brilliant lead guitarist that i have EVER seen....

He can play all that ****....AND the pickup fretting!
heeheheh

[MadMattUK]

Dont u read the other posts, i have already confirmed that the book says that. Its rite infront of me!

[locouis]

I used to own the Master of Puppets book...and i can tell you..THAT's what it says
....FRET AGAINST PICKUP

I have a friends who's the fastest MOST brilliant lead guitarist that i have EVER seen....

He can play all that ****....AND the pickup fretting!
heeheheh

[MadMattUK]

:o

[fizz]

Look batman!

A clue!

*points to the clue*

[MadMattUK]

OK Robin to the batmobile...

[fizz]

*Duh nuh nuh nuh Nuh nuh nuh nuh Nuh*

The sound effects were classic.

ZAP!

POW!

KAZAM!

THWIP!!!!

*sigh* THAT was television.

[MadMattUK]

:( Those were the days...

BY the way

A5-A5-G#5-G#5-G5-G5-G#5-G#5 repeat then


D5-D5-C#5-C#5-C5-C5-C#5-C#5 repeat!

:D Now it can be with u forever

[fizz]

Keh!?

Tab that out for uneducated fools such as myself :)

*thwip*

[geffen]

looks like power chords to me

[MadMattUK]

ok hold on....

G ----------------------
D 7--7--6--6--5--5--6--6
A 7--7--6--6--5--5--6--6
E 5--5--4--4--3--3--4--4 repeat then

G 7--7--6--6--5--5--6--6
D 7--7--6--6--5--5--6--6
A 5--5--4--4--3--3--4--4
E ----------------------

hope that came out rite only typed it so it mite be screwed

[Goat_Herder]

i know what your talking about, and i just found my own way of doing it, the notes i use are pinch harmonic's on the 14th fret of the g, and the 15th fret of the b, and i just bend em (about a step up), then dip the wammy bar about a step, then pull it back up, about a half step higher then my original bend....if that makes any sense, hah, it sounds right the way i do it, hope i helped a little

[MadMattUK]

This is for the solo right not my Batman composition? LOL

[fizz]

Lol, Id like to see that in the Batman song ;)

[Goat_Herder]

not sure?, it's the solo in master of puppets, i didn't read the whole thread, just thought id offer my opinion on how to play that part of the solo

[MadMattUK]

Cool its a shame tho my guitars got no whammy bar :mad:

[Goat_Herder]

ah, it's a handy tool, mostly just fun, but can do some pretty cool tricks with it

[fizz]

Yeh theyre great.

Hours of fun. :)

Its a shame Ive lost mine tho :(

[Goat_Herder]

hehe, i lost my wammy to my strat a while ago, but that wasn't a big loss (squier...) found it, and now i keep the wammy on my rg570 all the time, so i havn't lost it...yet

[MadMattUK]

Yeah well my next guitar im definetely considering buying a Fender but with a whammy bar. But Fenders confuse me, i know squiers are the cheapos versions, like Gibson Epiphones. But whats the difference between a telecaster and stratocaster etc.?

[Goat_Herder]

overall sound i guess, i like fenders a great deal, but they don't fit me, very nice sounding guitars to play like pink floyd or eric clapton stuff on, and clean sounding they have a really airy tone to them, which to me i think is really cool, but for most of the stuff i play, it just doesnt work for me, and if you were going to get one, id reccomend one of the reissues if you have the cash. if your looking to play like metallica type stuff, i'd shoot for jacksons, esp's, ibanezes and stuff of that nature. fender's wont cut it in the metal department. and for fender money, if you spend it on an esp ltd, it'd be worth it, thats my backup guitar is an ltd ec300, and my main is an rg570, two very good guitars both in the 400 price range
also if you're getting a fender, don't get a squier, i keep mine around for kicks, but it's a beginner guitar

[MadMattUK]

U say Fenders wont cut it in the metal department why is this? How come most the guys from Maiden use them, im not a big fan just wondering?

:)

[Goat_Herder]

haha, i'm not much of an iron maiden fan either, but they had some good songs, like blood brothers, and fear of the dark, anywho, i'm not saying don't try it, guitar is all about what you want to do with it, but going to play metallica, or slayer, and metal, with a lot of palm muting, so on, so forth, i always look for solid body guitars, and single coil doesn't appeal to me when i'm playing metal, it's okay to use, but i need humbuckers because i use them more then single coil sounds, whether i'm playing lead or rythem
iron maiden, and some other retro 80's bands use strats and fenders, but not sure about you..i wouldn't want to sound like them haha, no offense to anybody that plays that stuff though, just figured since you were askign about a metallica solo what kind of stuff you might be more into playing, and if you do play that kind of stuff i think you'd be better suited with a shredder

[MadMattUK]

Yeah i agree with u on that one. I was just wondering about fenders.

[Goat_Herder]

they are good guitars, you don't have to listen to me, i suggest looking into em, you might like em, my friends brother got one, and he plays mostly like deftones and stuff like that (his 150 watt marshall head helps a lot)

[MadMattUK]

http://www.schecterguitars.com/ds_home_fl.htm

Products then 00 series then the 006 ELITE.

My technical knowledge of guitars is poor, started out on the old classical acoustic u see. Im just wondering on my guitar is the two pickups at the bottom stuck together the humbecker?!

[Goat_Herder]

yeah, page isn't loading for some reason....the bridge pickup is the humbucker, if you were looking to buy one of those, schecter's are really nice guitars, was actually debating on those before i got my rg, play very well

[MadMattUK]

Yeah i got 006 elite. Does me fine :D

[MadMattUK]

Ok change of subject back to technical issues and master of puppets.

Ive already mentioned this on this thread but it concerns the second riff bit (look in earlier pages to c what im on about it). I use alternating picking hear, feels natural but sounds scrappy. Downpicking gives the rite sound but when i downpick at the required speed my rite arm tenses up after a while. Anyone got any good ideas, exercises etc to develop my rightarm downpicking technique???

Its weird coz i can play fast downpick riffs on one string. BUT this riff requires u too alternate between two strings. One of my friends alternates too but it sounds scrappy like me. Another downpicks and it sounds great but he has the same problem, he tenses up.

HELP!!

:confused:

[Goat_Herder]

hehe, that only goes away with time, but when playing master of puppets, i concentrate on the timing of the notes that aren't palm muted, and keep those in time, i skip a palm muted note between each note in the intro...if that makes sense, id tab it out but i have to be somewhere pretty soon, and as far as the main riff, you can play that in alternate picking, might be a little uncomfortable at first, but you'll get the hang of it
another way is to do the hammer on like i see in some tabs, it's a little tricky, and sloppy as hell, but it works, do the 0h1 on the string in the beginning, and keep that palm muted, but then not palmuting the 2-3-4 on the a string...but i just take one of the palm muted notes out between each of the 2-3-4, adn it soudns a lot cleaner, it's not right to the recording, but it's in the same timing, and it doesnt sound like total crap

[smfulla]

practice... james hetfield said he used to practice with a victoria secret catalog... :D

[fizz]

Whatever could that mean? ;)

[smfulla]

oh my gosh, fizz has overtaken me in posts!
nice catch up there... I had like a break a while ago... so yep

[fizz]

Lol!

Did you only just notice?

Hehehe.

[gggeoff]

try bend the botom string off the botom of the neck and strum .. i know it says **** like 3.5 and 1.5 but yeah.. jus try that thats how i play it

[Deeem]

the second riff i play like this...

up down down up down down
-0----1-----------0----1----------
------------2----------------3----

sounds quite good from my end...sorry if that tab didnt come out right.

regards

DeeeM

[drunkenmosquito]

Originally posted by Deeem
the second riff i play like this...

up down down up down down
-0----1-----------0----1----------
------------2----------------3----

sounds quite good from my end...sorry if that tab didnt come out right.

regards

DeeeM

I think you meant

up down down up down down
------------2----------------3----
-0----1-----------0----1----------

[Deeem]

oops yeah ...sorry about that.. :D

DeeeM

[NaTe_Lui]

I always do this:

A -----2-----3-----4-
E -0h1---0h1---0h1---

easier for me and its just like the one from the song...


CAN ANYBODY HELP ME WITH THIS PART OF THE ADLIB

4:18 - 4:20

wht did James did here??? i ahd a hard time doing it...

[drunkenmosquito]

he does something like..


---------------------|---------------------|---------
-12h15h12~-----------|--15-----------------|---------
--------------12-14--|--14*----14h12----12-|---------
---------------------|---------------14----|--14~----
---------------------|---------------------|---------
---------------------|---------------------|---------

*bend to 16 relase and bend to 16 again

[NaTe_Lui]

Originally posted by MadMattUK
No way man it aint that fast! The start is deceptive but i can play it now up to speed, the rest of it confuses me, the whole octave part. Play the start slowly at first then build up speed:

-----17p12-----------12-17p12- and so on.
-----------13-12-13-----------
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how do i do the picking of this??? i always do:

U D U D D U
-----17p12-----------12-17p12-
-----------13-12-13-----------
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Is this the corret picking? please help... thanks

[MadMattUK]

I alternate always. Its the only way to maintain the required speed. I begin with a upstroke on the 17 or A and remain strictly alternate from there. :D


17p12 is just a pull off so no double downsrtoke is needed.

[mary]

hmm so it was a mistake to pull off of the fretboard and it made that cool sound.......when I screw up it always sounds like crap:D

[MadMattUK]

lol, thats the difference between normality and genius. A genius can screw up and still sound like a god.