memorizing notes(location of notes)and learning key

[waes]

hey whats up everyone
does anyone have any good ways or tips to help me memorize the location of the notes??also how do i learn i keys im completly clueless in that regard
peace out

[Zero]

About the notes, the only way to really learn them is to say them... religiously. Every day, or every time you pick up you guitar, play each note on a string, and say the note's name as you play it. Then, whenever you are practicing scales, say every note in the scales, both forwards and backwards. If you do this, you should start picking up which notes are where pretty quickly.

About keys, probably it would be better to look at the main site, because Shawn has an explanation about keys under the "theory" section, and he does a lot better job than I would do to explain them.

Hope this helps... :)

[satch]

memorize all your notes on low e string 1st.
such as A=5th fret A#=6th fret c=8 d=10
master this first and then use this method................

------high e------ +0
------b string---- +5
------g string---- +9
------d string---- +2
------a string---- +7
------low e------- +0

Lets say i want to find A on the b string.................
simply add a=5 + b string constant +5
or simply 5+5=10
so we have A located at 10th fret of b string.

[satch]

About keys..................
After u have a real good grasp on the above concept then
all u need to remember about major scales or (major keys)
is the 34 formula

every major key follows this formula
3 odd consecutive notes then 4 even consecutive notes
or
3 even consecutive notes then 4 odd consecutive notes

example
key of A notes are
5 7 9 10 12 14 16
which can b simplified to 5 7 9 10 0 2 4
all e string notes

then simply apply the previous post theory to find all these notes anywhere on the guitar.

[wild_axeman]

Here's a note chart to study


E:|--F--|F#/Gb|--G--|G#/Ab|--A--|A#/Bb|--B--|--C--|C#/Db|--D--|D#/Eb|--E--|
B:|--C--|C#/Db|--D--|D#/Eb|--E--|--F--|F#/Gb|--G--|G#/Ab|--A--|A#/Bb|--B--|
G:|G#/Ab|--A--|A#/Bb|--B--|--C--|C#/Db|--D--|D#/Eb|--E--|--F--|F#/Gb|--G--|
D:|D#/Eb|--E--|--F--|F#/Gb|--G--|G#/Ab|--A--|A#/Bb|--B--|--C--|C#/Db|--D--|
A:|A#/Bb|--B--|--C--|C#/Db|--D--|D#/Eb|--E--|--F--|F#/Gb|--G--|G#/Ab|--A--|
E:|--F--|F#/Gb|--G--|G#/Ab|--A--|A#/Bb|--B--|--C--|C#/Db|--D--|D#/Eb|--E--|

[wild_axeman]

Here's just the natural notes which also happen to be
the key of C (or relative minor key of A minor)



E:|--F--|-----|--G--|-----|--A--|-----|--B--|--C--|-----|--D--|-----|--E--|
B:|--C--|-----|--D--|-----|--E--|--F--|-----|--G--|-----|--A--|-----|--B--|
G:|-----|--A--|-----|--B--|--C--|-----|--D--|-----|--E--|--F--|-----|--G--|
D:|-----|--E--|--F--|-----|--G--|-----|--A--|-----|--B--|--C--|-----|--D--|
A:|-----|--B--|--C--|-----|--D--|-----|--E--|--F--|-----|--G--|-----|--A--|
E:|--F--|-----|--G--|-----|--A--|-----|--B--|--C--|-----|--D--|-----|--E--|

[kai_subfusc]

hmm..that's an interesting method satch..

[wild_axeman]

That's pretty hip Satch !

Where do you come up with this shiznit?

:D I like it

[wild_axeman]

Here's some basic stuff that might also be helpful to beginners:

Once you know the low E string you know the high E string because they are both E strings.Then you can use OCTAVES as a guide.Say you have an A on the 5th fret,low E string.You can find the octave by skipping a string and going up two frets so 7th fret D string is the octave of A (note:This ends up being "3" frets apart when finding octaves on the high B and E strings from their counterpart D and G strings respectively...SO the octave of A on the 7th fret,D string would be 3 frets higher on the B string,8th fret.)

On adjacent strings you go up a string and then down 5 frets to find the unison.So for A on the 5th fret,low E string again you go up a string (to the A string) count down 5 frets '4,3,2,1,0 so the unison for A is the open A string.But I bet most of you learned that the first time you learned how to tune your guitar? Just as another example you have an E at the 12th fret,Low E string,jump up to the A string,count down 5 frets from 12 so '11,10,9,8,7 and tada you have E at the 7th fret.(when doing this going from the G string to the B string you include the starting fret when counting so for example if you were on the note G on the 12th fret,G string you'd go up a string to the B string and count 'including' 12 this time as follows:12,11,10,9,8 so "8" would be G etc.)

Octaves of open strings are also found on the next string up at the 7th fret (or 8th fret on the B string,'octave' of open G string)

On a single string the octave will be 12 frets higher so if you're on an A note on the low E string,5th fret 12 frets higher would be the 17th fret.So you simply find the number of the fret you're already on +12 to find the octave.(purdy obvious)

[PiscesIscariot]

Heres a pretty cool game. Fretboard Warrior (http://www.fretboardwarrior.com)

[Griffin_Page]

Satch man, that method is pretty kickass. I'd use it but i simply memorized the notes at my inlays, that way there's only 4 notes per string to memorize, and i can count up or down from there.

[waes]

thanx everyone this is all great feedback alot more than i expected i am and have been digesting all these great stuff from you all i think that game is pretty tight by the way
hey is there like a book to memorize keys like chords that are in certain keys or some way you could help me with that thanx in advance peace out

[punkrockguy318]

Practice makes perfect

[wild_axeman]

Hey waes,

see if this helps click (http://www.guitarlodge.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4738&highlight=circle+of+fifths)

[J87]

Originally posted by satch


Lets say i want to find A on the b string.................
simply add a=5 + b string constant +5
or simply 5+5=10
so we have A located at 10th fret of b string.

But that doesn't help much. Anyone really can just calculate and fish out the notes, but actually KNOWING what note is at each fret is better. :)

[satch]

Originally posted by wild_axeman
That's pretty hip Satch !

Where do you come up with this shiznit?

:D I like it

Well I figured if u can give ea. string a number to add to it to make every string all e notes or 12............then you could treat ea. string like the e strings on the guitar.

e
b=7 + ? = 12...............? = 5
g=3 + ? = 12...............? = 9
d=10+ ? = 12...............? = 2
a=5 + ? = 12...............? = 7
e

Heres something else i just came up w/ last night

I call it the 352 method
Simply add 3 then 5 then 2 to any fret of your choice
and that will tell you 3 keys that every string on that fret is in
3 is the limit tho because thats all the number of keys per fret that use every string.
EXAMPLE........Say i want to know what major keys im in just on the 9th fret that will use all 6 strings.EASY>>>>
9 + 3= 12.......so we know 1 key is E
12 + 5 =17..and we could subtract the octv12 17-12=5....so we know 1 more key is A
5 + 2 =7........so the 3rd and last key is B
So the 9th fret contains the major keys....E A B

I think this knowledge may be more useful than the 7295 approach
..........I probably spend more time inventing and studying theory than actual playing.

[satch]

I have found the best way to study this stuff is to try to make all this theory as mathematical as possible.
Because you can manipulate numbers with addition subtraction etc...
but you cant do that w/ letters ie...A# G F etc

[wild_axeman]

Well it's definately interesting and worth investigating i think.
so many possibilities...

[FenderDay]

What I do is really easy, its from the site. Instead of memorizing charts or working out methods do the easiest way.

K we all know that the notes go A B C D E F G, then they start over.

So you take a string, lets say the first. High E.

The first note is, E just playing it open. The next note is F at the first fret. Then you skip a fret to the 3rd fret, which becomes the G note. And you just go down the neck that way keeping in mind.

There is only a half step in between B and C, and E and F. So those notes will always be one fret away. The rest are two frets away a whole step. So you always go A| |B|C| | D| |E|F| G|

Each | is a fret, So on the first string E it goes


E:F| |G| |A| |B|C| |D| |E|F and so on. It always goes like that no matter which letter it starts with. So just take your guitar, pick any string dont fret it, now think what note you just played. Lets say you played G. The next note would be A and its not a B-C combinatino or a E-F combination so you know A is a whole step away from G, so you dont do the first fret, but the 2nd fret.

G: |A| |B|C

B is a whole step away from a so you skip two frets. I like to think of the nut being a fret. Thats why F is the first fret, its one fret away from E. As long as you know the names of the strings you can find any note. You dont have to rely on any charts or anybody else, you can find any note. I hope it all makes sense. I find it to be the easiest way of finding the notes.

[SkaFreak]

i agree with fenderday, thats how i do it. its a lot easier than most stuff, but then again it doesnt really help with some more complicated things. oh and i ahve a ?, how do i find out the root note of a chord? thx in advance!

[FenderDay]

I think its the lowest fretted note, but I could be wrong.

[SkaFreak]

thx, but u didnt sound too sure, can i get a second opinion?

P.S. Fender- thats what i thought too but i think my friend said something different.

[FenderDay]

Well it works for most chords but not all so I dont think its THE correct way.

[SkaFreak]

once again thx fender, oh and how do i explain what chord somehting is? like say if i played f on the 5th fret, then it would be called a, but how would i signify the difference between that and regular a.

[FenderDay]

Well chords like barred chords you can play any where on the neck. Like F for example


1-------------
1-------------
1---2----------
1-----3--------
1-----3--------
1-------------


At the first fret its an F Chord, but at the 3rd its a G chord and so on.