Who Likes Rap?

[smfulla]

Who Likes Rap????
Now I'm not talking about Limp Bizkit or Linkin Park style rapping. I'm talking about Bone Thugs, Mo Thugs, Run DMC, Dre, Ice Cube (not Eminem, I'm against him, hehe), Xzibit, Snoop Dogg, etc.
Those hardcore 'thug' rappers.
Lately, I've been listening to some rap stuff, coz my best mate loves rap and has heaps of cd's. At first I was 'chillin' (sorry =]) but not enjoying it so much, then a little later on I heard sum really pumping bass going on, and the lyricist was speaking so fast I like couldn't totally understand them. Then I heard some Run DMC, Rappers Delight is a CRACK UP!!! =] It's got sum cool music on it, mainly the bass line that repeats. It's really good. And the lyrics are cool as =] Like 'Have you ever been over a friends house to eat and the food just ain't no good!'
hehe, that's all I heard of that little end part. Neway, I'd have ot say the most eye opening of rap artists is Bone Thugs, but the one I like most is Run DMC, that group is a crack up. They're cool.
And like everyone says, you should always listen to different types of music =]

[barbietta]

I like the Beastie Boys. Do they count? :)

[smfulla]

oh yeah, beastie boys, they're cool =]]]
they got some pretty wierd lyrics

[slaughteredsoul]

i didnt think you were serious....

[smfulla]

I'm a very serious person.... sumtimes =]
but yeh, rap can have sum funny lyrics in it, and it's got sum really heavy bass, and I like loud music, sooo it's alright with me. Not my favorite genre of music, of course, but it's ok with me

[eische]

do you know »Seeed«????? - well, it's not really rap, more reggea and dub, but I really love them.

[slaughteredsoul]

I dont really know any rap artists that i like,i do respect Run DMC a lot though..they know what they're doing..but i can't imagine myself listening to rap:D

[Phil]

I do listen to a bit of rap, mainly because it's the best source of bass for my car sterio other than dance music, which i totally hate! I do put my metal stuff in the car too but Rap, eg Ice Cube, can shake the ground under the car when the frequency responce for the subs is set right for that style of bass. Some of the lyrics crack me up at times as well. But if anyone asks me what style of music i'm into i still say METAL! :)

[55'gibby]

If I had a choice between listening to 24 hours of rap or a swan dive out a 100th floor window.... I'd take the window!!

[Phil]

HAHA, my dad says basically the same thing, no ofence

[Levinson Blade]

I am a big fan of Cypress Hill a great fusion of music

[Krieselman13]

Ya wanna know what rap is to me? CRAP!!!! I HATE it! I Only like beastie (spl?) boys and eminem, but Imostly like Punk, rap/rock, nu metal, heavy metal. I also HATE pop!

[smfulla]

umm, krieselman.... you like nu metal right???
well it has rap in it... eg the nu-metal bands I listed, limp bizkit and linkin park

can I ask why you hate rap???

[ZakNafien]

I hate rap myself to be honest it's just no the style for me and probably never will be same as pop and country.

[Schecter_dude]

Rap's alright... It's good for chillin to, like you said, but I don't listen to it on a regular basis.

[ESP_Viper]

Rap has its place. I'm not a big fan of it. There's some stuff I like. There's a few tupac songs I like. I do like Westside Connection and Cypress Hill. Westside just cracks me up w/ their lyrics, and I love deep bumpin' bass which westside has. Cypress hill also is funny. Sometimes I like to take a break from being technical with music and sitting back and having a good laugh or absorbing some booming bass.

I don't really like rap today, because it all sounds the same to me though. It's not really creative anymore. I guess that rap in general isn't as creative as let's say zeppelin. But people like it, so it's cool.

[i like strats]

Well I can't say I like Rap, or mostly any music made after the 80's
but rap in particular I can not stand to listen to.

Rap has alot of negetivity in it (like most popular music now-adays) and I have absolutely no respect for any of it. I also think it is terrible when a rap artist take's an old song and use the beat for some new lyrics they made up. Pretty much that alone tells me they have no musical talent at all. It's hard not to be sucked into the rap/hip-hop culture when you live in a city and are around people who either like rap or death metal types of music. Bottom Line is.. Rap should be called crap, and not considered music at all, and there is nothing anyone could say or do to change my mind.

[Merlin]

I used to be really into the popular rap like Nelly and Eminem and whatnot... But I really just got sick of it. I mean, rap doesnt hurt my ears to listen to, but I just don't see how you can get into it! I mean, rap is decent background music but I just cant get myself to sing along to rap, ya know?

[gck]

To my mind, rap and hiphop lives from the lyrics. If the lyrics are bad e.g . they are just a bunch of "bad words" clunged together it's a bad rap song. However, the beat can be pretty cool in some songs. Personally, I like some songs by Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Eminem, some Wu-Tang Clan members (dunno all the names :)), but my "rap favorite" is Mos Def (if you've heard of him): his lyrics do not live from the overusage of bad words and they're not about killing people, how cool he is himself and all that, and the beats are great.

About Eminem: well, I think he's a genius in some way because I don't know any other artist that can put together such ingenious rhymes even if his newer LPs aren't that good. His first album, however, which came out when he still was an ordinary cook (it's called "Infinite" and never appeared on the mainstream market) is pretty good: the lyrics aren't that ill like in his newer albums, not at all, it's not aggressive and very good to "chill" as you call it: there's a song on it in which he rhymes on a single syllable for almost a minute without using "constructed sentences".

@eische: I do know "Seeed". I also like them a lot: there are lots of great hip hop artists from Germany. That is, because the lyrics of their songs never have to do with killing people etc... like those of most US rap artists.

Why do I know so much about HipHop? Well, at least 80% of my friends are great hiphop fans. Some of them also form a small rap band and I sometimes play with them (they've had some pretty cool ideas what one can do with my electric violin and some distortion, or I play a bass line to their beats). However, most of their music comes from the computer i.e. MIDI: and I don't like "synthetic" music at all (also the reason why I prefer a simple piano to a 100000 effects/instruments ultra-sophisticated keyboard!)...

Well, that's my opinion about rap!

[Tony_Iommi]

Well, i dont really like it... here,let me explain.

one, it's not music, cause..well, there arent any instruments. just synthesizers. second, there's no singing. just talking really fast. that rules out the two ways of being an actual musician.

Second, someone that has to cuss like that is banal, no.. just stupid. You should be able to express the same messages with out having to talk like that.
Also, this is why i dont like nu-metal. (well, that and their guitarists always suck)

[smfulla]

I have to agree about the swearing, but some of the death metal bands I've heard swear quite a bit in their songs.
But if you're familiar with Nate Dogg, he sings =] He's got quite a good voice too. And the bass tracks that are done are most certainly real (atleast thats what my friend told me, lol) and you know P. Diddy's new 'song' Bad boy something. They've got that gutiar track playing continuosly.

[ZakNafien]

the problem with swearing in rap is they do it just to look big and cool whereas in metal it's done because 90% of the time the singers are REALLY pissed off when they right the stuff they do.

[smfulla]

now here's where it comes to a matter of perspective. You can't be totally sure of ones intentions unless you are either part or whole-ley that person. Maybe the death metal dudes do it coz they don't have a big enough vocabulary. Which brings me to another... point, I guess, but not exactly so, neway. Have you noticed how rappers actually use a wider range of vocabulary than pop? Atleast inbetween the swearing =] Also, if you knew abit of the history of rapping, which is still the basis of rap today, is the anti-establishment mindset which, not only exists in rap, but also in metal. Atleast I think the anti-establishment mind set is still in rap, it certainly was, but anyway thats also where the swearing comes from, which is also sometimes in metal. The government and society labels swearing as bad, so the swear. Back in the days when people used to rap about their problems... that was better rap, now its more sort of superficial. Which is where metal is heading with Nu-metal becoming the 'spokesgenre' for metal

[Tony_Iommi]

yeah, i see your point. but to me "nu-metal" is, as so many other Power Metal sites i have seen put it "False Metal". But still, you can express extreme anger without massive ammounts of swearing. it just kinda makes me think less of them, cause they're so inarticulate that they have to place "F-ck" (yeah, i know self-censoring ;p) In every sentance.
I mean, if you use "Cusswords" Sensibly, like with "Child of the Damned" by Warlord (Actually talking about being spiritually damned, of course, not some trivial explative) or Gamma ray's Damn the Machine (same deal), or lastly, Gamma Ray's "Fire Below"... It uses Hell as a metaphor for earthly torture (as opposed to you know, eternal damnation). But that's my $.02

[mrbud6661]

try sum three six mafia,there a memphis group thats like to riffs of metallica,megadeth,slayer and tons of others.real dark group

[smfulla]

those three six mafia guys sound like nothing but another cover band, similar to the pop group steps.

[ZakNafien]

But still, you can express extreme anger without massive ammounts of swearing.

but not if thats the only way you know.

[gck]

hm.. Every type of music has songs expressing "massive amounts of anger" with lots of "bad words" and the such... But I wouldn't say that rap *has* to use bad words and lyrics about killing and the such all the time.

For example, if you've ever listened to Mos Def, a talented rapper from New York, he's never using any bad words (like the one with F) or rapping about killing people and so on in his songs.

The reason why that "hardcore gangsta rap" is so popular probably is because it sounds so much like a "rebel" style of music. You shouldn't use bad words, but rappers do. You shouldn't talk about killing, but rappers do.. and so on. Music styles that break the common rules of society have always been popular, only that the rules have changed. You won't be much of a rebel if you have mushroom-shaped long hair like the beatles had, but at their time, this was pretty "rebel".

[Tony_Iommi]

Originally posted by smfulla
those three six mafia guys sound like nothing but another cover band, similar to the pop group steps.

Well, if they dont know how, they shouldnt be making 'music'.

[ESP_Viper]

There's some stuff that you don't have to respect musically but that you can still listen to. Like the Bloodhound Gang. I will sometimes put the Dream Theater up and put in the bloodhound gang. That stuff cracks me up, their parodies and lyrics. Sometimes I may feel like rap, so I'll listen to it.

I hate country, people here I am sure disagree with me on that. That's the beauty of music, there's SUCH a range of stuff out there that people would die for and stuff that the same person would kill to get rid of. Music is all opinion.

Therefore there's no "best guitarist" or "best artist" There's no music superior to the next.

[kitara]

I don't know very much about that music style, but if I listen to the rap thats played on TV or on the radio, it always just seems like they wanna tell how good they are and skillz, and styles and bla, showing off a lot ... that's quite boring.

I somehow like Busta Rhymes ... I hardly understand, what he's singing when I'm not exactly listening to it (ok, might be skills,styles&bla, too), but it sounds crazy

[ZakNafien]

he's probably not rap but i like R Kelly abit his new song for the ali movie move's me everytime i hear it.

[fieldbabies]

Pharcyde
Roots
K-OS
Eminem
Tupac
Slick Rick

Rap has its stars just like every genre.

[joemarine]

...Rap has its place. I'm not a big fan of it. .....
I completely agree it has its place, in the trash :D lol j/k its not all bad, remember the first real rock/rap song, Anthrax and Public Enemy? that was a pretty bad ass song.

[68Mustang]

jesus joe, you really brought this thread back from the dead :alien:

[joemarine]

lol, hey i tried my best it just didnt work out :cool:

[x3roXL]

jesus joe, you really brought this thread back from the dead :alien:
No, it was fieldbabies

[fretmaster02]

wat up, rap rules the world yo. truly, i prefer it over guitar. gimme a turntable over an axe anyday. guitar is just so lame compared to smooth beats. plus, rap lyrics are far better than rock. rap lyrics are deep and meaningful, especially nelly and his Nellyville.

i think guitar players are overrated children that need to grow up and play a real instrument, like the flute...

"one time at band camp..."

WUT UP NIGGAZ!!

[headstone]

The only rappers that I can respect are probably K-os and Zach la Rocha (of Rage Against the Machine).

[sum1]

i like a lot of rap, most people have a tainted view of rap like "take yo hoe to the store (pronounced sto), make that bitch scratch your itch" but a lot of rap isnt liek that.. much of it is very meaningful...

[MadMattUK]

i listen to the beastie boys a lot when getting rat arsed. :mad2:
Good times.

[popmusic_sux]

I've said it before. You may not like rap, that's fine. But if you don't at least respect it as a form of music and a way of expression, then you're not really a musician yourself.

[MadMattUK]

I've said it before. You may not like rap, that's fine. But if you don't at least respect it as a form of music and a way of expression, then you're not really a musician yourself.
agreed, too much ignorant discrimination on these boards.

[ibleedmarshall]

what's with all the dead threads coming back up?

I don't mind some rap, but I can't stand the new Trick Daddy song that uses the crazy train riff. Randy is rolling in his grave.

[x3roXL]

I've said it before. You may not like rap, that's fine. But if you don't at least respect it as a form of music and a way of expression, then you're not really a musician yourself.
Hold up man, I haven't dissed him yet...

[Ghost]

I've said it before. You may not like rap, that's fine. But if you don't at least respect it as a form of music and a way of expression, then you're not really a musician yourself.

Geez...that's a pretty elitist view right there.

Form of music...what do you define as music? your heartbeat is music, random noises you hear everyday is music. Does that mean it's GOOD music? nope.

So just because you don't respect rap doesn't mean your not a musician, in fact, ask Zakk Wylde what he thinks about rap, nu-metal, or pop music...

As for me, it's not so much that I dislike rap, but I just don't relate to it, therefore don't listen much of it, I do think a few eminem songs are funny though. But I really dont see a use for rap other than comic value.

[popmusic_sux]

Geez...that's a pretty elitist view right there.

Form of music...what do you define as music? your heartbeat is music, random noises you hear everyday is music. Does that mean it's GOOD music? nope.

So just because you don't respect rap doesn't mean your not a musician, in fact, ask Zakk Wylde what he thinks about rap, nu-metal, or pop music...

As for me, it's not so much that I dislike rap, but I just don't relate to it, therefore don't listen much of it, I do think a few eminem songs are funny though. But I really dont see a use for rap other than comic value.

The definition of music is "The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre." So a heartbeat or a car driving down the road is not music.

Yes, that means, by my definition, that Zakk Wylde is not a real musician, merely a good guitarist (boy will I get flamed for that one.)

Have you ever listened to any of the "older" rap? Specifically (my favorite,) Tupac? Not only was much of his music not comic value, it brought a real message with it.

My view on the subject that all these statements saying "rap sucks" or "you can't spell 'crap' without 'rap'" are just racist and quite ignorant in my eyes.

[ibleedmarshall]

Yes, that means, by my definition, that Zakk Wylde is not a real musician, merely a good guitarist (boy will I get flamed for that one.)


I'm not even going there..... and it's pretty clear my thoughts on Zakk. Pop, you aren't gonna get flamed from me, but I'm not sure of the other Society Dwellers around...

There are some very talented rap artists. How many of you can do the stuff that they can vocally? I have seen some guys freestyle and it's blown my mind how quick they were with words.

It's all about respect. Practice your craft, earn your place, get the respect.

[Ghost]

The definition of music is "The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre." So a heartbeat or a car driving down the road is not music.

Yes, that means, by my definition, that Zakk Wylde is not a real musician, merely a good guitarist (boy will I get flamed for that one.)

Have you ever listened to any of the "older" rap? Specifically (my favorite,) Tupac? Not only was much of his music not comic value, it brought a real message with it.

My view on the subject that all these statements saying "rap sucks" or "you can't spell 'crap' without 'rap'" are just racist and quite ignorant in my eyes.

What real message? Kill your fellow man? Say Ni**a as often as possible?

Or just hate someone because they come from the east coast?

By the way, a rap beat is easily comparable to a heartbeat, although a heartbeat is less annoying...

Sure there are some talented rappers, but it's mostly about image and offensive annoying childish crap. :annoyed:

But hey, if you like it, it's up to you, I can't change your tastes and whatever you like is fine with me, as long as you dont try to impose it on me :)

[MadMattUK]

What real message? Kill your fellow man? Say Ni**a as often as possible?

Or just hate someone because they come from the east coast?

By the way, a rap beat is easily comparable to a heartbeat, although a heartbeat is less annoying...

Sure there are some talented rappers, but it's mostly about image and offensive annoying childish crap. :annoyed:

But hey, if you like it, it's up to you, I can't change your tastes and whatever you like is fine with me, as long as you dont try to impose it on me :)


jeez your getting pop all wrong here. Hes saying just coz you dont like it, at least respect that it is a form of music and ppl do like it.

Its like punk. You may not like it but respect the fact that it is music and ppl do actually like it.

Pop music too. The most popular form of music. You may not like it but respect the fact that the majority of the human population do.

Hes just saying dont be an ignorant pigheaded ninkumpoop like a few on this board by coming out with things like "PUNK SUCKS, go screw yourself and find a new message board" etc.

Peace.

[ibleedmarshall]

I'm sure many rap fans look at metal and say "all about the image, just useless noise, who wants to hear that crap anyways?"

[popmusic_sux]

What real message? Kill your fellow man? Say Ni**a as often as possible?

Or just hate someone because they come from the east coast?

By the way, a rap beat is easily comparable to a heartbeat, although a heartbeat is less annoying...

Sure there are some talented rappers, but it's mostly about image and offensive annoying childish crap. :annoyed:

But hey, if you like it, it's up to you, I can't change your tastes and whatever you like is fine with me, as long as you dont try to impose it on me :)

I was more thinking of songs like "Changes," "Brenda's Got a Baby" or "Keep Ya Head Up." Songs with a message. In fact, they have much more of a message than most metal songs.

Rap is about image? Give me a break! Every genre of music is based somewhat on image, metal and hard rock included. In fact, much of life is based on image. Don't single out the rap image as an abnormality, it's not.

It's posts like yours that I was talking about in my last post. You know, when I said such narrow-mindness is ignorant and racist?

[68Mustang]

I'm sure many rap fans look at metal and say "all about the image, just useless noise, who wants to hear that crap anyways?"

then we cut their heads off :mad2:

I think i've kind of found a music parallel. And here it is.

Most rap groups that have come out in the past few years, lets say since 2000, completely suck.
Most (maybe all) punk/pop punk/emo/hardcore/screamo/whatever bands that have come out since then suck too.

I think that basically, kids nowadays have no musical talent whatsoever. Take a look at todays punk bands. What guitar newb couldn't play their songs? And take a look at today's rappers. What kid couldn't come up with their lyrics? Considering they don't even make their own beats, I'd say anybody could do a better job than them.

Pretty much, what I'm trying to say is that anything new SUCKS ASS! overall. Sure there are some anomalies here and there, but the majority of today's music sucks.







Listen to Megadeth if you haven't already :cool: :alien: :mad2:

[Ghost]

I was more thinking of songs like "Changes," "Brenda's Got a Baby" or "Keep Ya Head Up." Songs with a message. In fact, they have much more of a message than most metal songs.

Rap is about image? Give me a break! Every genre of music is based somewhat on image, metal and hard rock included. In fact, much of life is based on image. Don't single out the rap image as an abnormality, it's not.

It's posts like yours that I was talking about in my last post. You know, when I said such narrow-mindness is ignorant and racist?

How am I being racist? I told you I respect your choice in music, but I continue to dislike rap.

[popmusic_sux]

What real message? Kill your fellow man? Say Ni**a as often as possible?

Or just hate someone because they come from the east coast?

There's two examples right there. Maybe they weren't meant to be but believe me, they are.

[Ghost]

There's two examples right there. Maybe they weren't meant to be but believe me, they are.

Actually, they arn't, do you need me to quote a few Tupac songs?

Sorry if you think I'm disrespecting you pop (I'm trying not to) but if you believe that everyone who doesn't see rap in your point of view is narrow-minded and racist...

[68Mustang]

ladies please, take your seats.

Read my last post.

[Ghost]

How am I being racist? I told you I respect your choice in music, but I continue to dislike rap.

But hey, if you like it, it's up to you, I can't change your tastes and whatever you like is fine with me, as long as you dont try to impose it on me

As for me, it's not so much that I dislike rap, but I just don't relate to it, therefore don't listen much of it, I do think a few eminem songs are funny though. But I really dont see a use for rap other than comic value.

Sorry if you think I'm disrespecting you pop (I'm trying not to) but if you believe that everyone who doesn't see rap in your point of view is narrow-minded and racist...

Please tell me when did I call you any names?

I believe you were the one to label me as "ignorant and racist"

[popmusic_sux]

So since unlike other people, I don't see rap as narrow-minded and racist, that makes me narrow-minded and racist.

You may not have meant those comments do be racist, and I believe you that you didn't. Doesn't mean they're not.

And Mustang; pretty much all music from all periods sucks, with a few anomalies. The only reason it seems that there's more bad music out today is because the bad music of past generations didn't pass the test of time, so no one cares or even knows about it (with the possible exception of disco.) In a decade or so, the bad music of this time will be forgotten because a whole new wave of bad music will have taken control.

[popmusic_sux]

I apologize if I'm being a bit confrontational, I've been debating politics the last few days and I'm a bit fired up from it.

[ibleedmarshall]

I apologize if I'm being a bit confrontational, I've been debating politics the last few days and I'm a bit fired up from it.

haha, I know what you mean there... I think everyone's been fired up as of late...

[Ghost]

Well, I guess it's pointless to argue with someone who quotes himself as being greater than god... :rolleyes:

Just kidding though, we're not going to change each others point of views so we should probably just leave it at that and let friendship be the winner of this argument :D (I sound like a preacher :cool: )

[Ghost]

I apologize if I'm being a bit confrontational, I've been debating politics the last few days and I'm a bit fired up from it.

lol i hear that!

[68Mustang]

And Mustang; pretty much all music from all periods sucks, with a few anomalies. The only reason it seems that there's more bad music out today is because the bad music of past generations didn't pass the test of time, so no one cares or even knows about it (with the possible exception of disco.) In a decade or so, the bad music of this time will be forgotten because a whole new wave of bad music will have taken control.

WHAT?! saying past generations music didn't past the test of time is blasphemous. Even the punker kids know about led zeppelin, ac/dc (even though only back in black), maiden (or at least they wear their shirts...), the beatles, the rolling stones (maybe), santana (maybe) the allman brothers (maybe)...you have a point :rolleyes:

the real music of the 60's 70's 80's and early to mid 90's will always survive on though. no doubt it has stood the test of time and always will. people will soon be over this bull**** excuse for music, but the good stuff always lives on.

[popmusic_sux]

Yeah, we should leave it where it is, Ghost.

Mustang: I think you misunderstood me. I meant the bad music didn't pass the test of time, the good stuff is what we remember. I probably should've clarified that. My bad.

[68Mustang]

My God...sorry pop!

...i seem to have misunderstood you. i thought you were calling the music of past generations bad and claiming it has not passed the test of time.

My bad :o

..i'm off to bed

[Ghost]

Well...as long as we're off topic... anyone playing GTA: San Andreas? :p :cool:

[popmusic_sux]

It's all good, even the best of us make mistakes sometimes.

Like here, I should really be starting my history midterm that I got two weeks ago and is due Friday and has to be 12 pages typed and I've barely even looked at the questions and haven't done any readings all semester. But I'm here on Cyberfret, delaying the inevitable.

[Ghost]

It's all good, even the best of us make mistakes sometimes.

Like here, I should really be starting my history midterm that I got two weeks ago and is due Friday and has to be 12 pages typed and I've barely even looked at the questions and haven't done any readings all semester. But I'm here on Cyberfret, delaying the inevitable.

Bleh, it's 1am and I still have to read a whole play for tomorrow's french class :eek: Aw well... I finally got around to learning the first riff of Sweet Child O' Mine so I'll probably be playing this til I fall asleep :cool:

[ibleedmarshall]

It's all good, even the best of us make mistakes sometimes.

Like here, I should really be starting my history midterm that I got two weeks ago and is due Friday and has to be 12 pages typed and I've barely even looked at the questions and haven't done any readings all semester. But I'm here on Cyberfret, delaying the inevitable.

ain't being a history ed major fun? I just got done writing a paper comparing theories behind the creation of a European Identity around Charlemange...

[popmusic_sux]

ain't being a history ed major fun? I just got done writing a paper comparing theories behind the creation of a European Identity around Charlemange...

Yeah, I have to write a 4 page answer to three different questions, all of them centered around the end of Latin-Christian Europe. Each questions is give or take half a page to a page long. I'm having a real tough time concentrating. I think I'll just do it all tomorrow.

I've got an 8:00 math class tomorrow morning and a 3:30 psychology. Other than going there and the occasional bathroom break, I'll be doing my paper.

I can't wait until I declare a political science minor to go along with the history major.

[GnRockGod79]

WHAT?! saying past generations music didn't past the test of time is blasphemous. Even the punker kids know about led zeppelin, ac/dc (even though only back in black), maiden (or at least they wear their shirts...), the beatles, the rolling stones (maybe), santana (maybe) the allman brothers (maybe)...you have a point :rolleyes:

the real music of the 60's 70's 80's and early to mid 90's will always survive on though. no doubt it has stood the test of time and always will. people will soon be over this bull**** excuse for music, but the good stuff always lives on.
im a little off topic here, but ive seen a bunch of people in my school wear zep and acdc (haha ONLY back in black and once the razors edge) shirts, and when i ask them what theyre favorite song is, they have no idea! POSERS!!!

alright...now on topic of rap. personally i see no talent needed to do it, and as some have said that its good to chill to, i think some good ol pink floyd is some BETTER chillin music. all rappers should be outlawed to either greenland or the land of Nod....

For those about to (and will always and never listen to rap) rock, i salute you!

[mxmatthew]

west siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide

old schools the only way to go if you have to listen to rap.

[popmusic_sux]

alright...now on topic of rap. personally i see no talent needed to do it, and as some have said that its good to chill to, i think some good ol pink floyd is some BETTER chillin music. all rappers should be outlawed to either greenland or the land of Nod....

For those about to (and will always and never listen to rap) rock, i salute you!

If no talent is needed to do it, I would love to hear you do it. Or, if you don't feel like rapping, I wouldn't be against hearing you on some turntables. Hey, if it takes absolutely no talent, then everyone should be able to do it, and do it well.

Fact is, it does take a certain level of talent to rap, especially of you freestyle. My suitemate last year won a rap war competition up here at school and got to cut a record because of it. It's a very hard thing to do, to come up with lyrics like that as quickly as they do. It does take a certain level of skill, as does the turntables and other instruments. It's not something you can master in a few minutes. I'd venture to say that the turntables are at least as difficult to master as the guitar.

[sum1]

If no talent is needed to do it, I would love to hear you do it. Or, if you don't feel like rapping, I wouldn't be against hearing you on some turntables. Hey, if it takes absolutely no talent, then everyone should be able to do it, and do it well.

Fact is, it does take a certain level of talent to rap, especially of you freestyle. My suitemate last year won a rap war competition up here at school and got to cut a record because of it. It's a very hard thing to do, to come up with lyrics like that as quickly as they do. It does take a certain level of skill, as does the turntables and other instruments. It's not something you can master in a few minutes. I'd venture to say that the turntables are at least as difficult to master as the guitar.

rapping is very very hard.. amazing how they fit all the meters and ryhmes perfectly while freestyling, it used to take vergil and homer and what not years to do that.. these guys are freestyling and make pretty complicated meter and ryhme schemes at points...

turntables are also quite hard.. have you heard the xecutioners? they did that video with mike from linkin park, they make whole songs are scratching, and they change pitch and what not too! amazing stuff

[Shredderific]

Dude, rap freakin sucks...... :eek:

[Huh?]

Oh man...it is so funny reading opinions from people who have never heard rap, tried to rap, or known the hip-hop culture calling it an artless form of music.

Ignorance speaks volumes people. Volumes.

[68Mustang]

i can freestyle pretty well...i get lotsa practice whenever we watch malibu's most wanted or whenever we're chillin out in the lineup...usually we just freestyle on chicks or whatever comes to mind...

[Jamezo]

rap is certainly a form of music, but it is in my opinion a very low form.

mainstream rap is almost completely about the image, if there we no such thing as the music video, rap could not sell itself. the musical value is almost nonexistent.

as for the lyrics, while a few oft-quoted examples of genuine insight and artistic value have managed to sneak in over the years, the lyrics for many rap 'songs' are primarily focused on blase steriotypes; hoes, b!tches, bling, cars, violence... it's gets old fast.

I will admit right now that a decent proportion of heavy metal, especially modern stuff, has relatively awful lyrics too, but the point is, the lyrics are not the main point of the song, the artist manages to speak to the audience with just the musical content alone.

and that is why more than 50% of my playlist is instrumental.

[popmusic_sux]

rapping is very very hard.. amazing how they fit all the meters and ryhmes perfectly while freestyling, it used to take vergil and homer and what not years to do that.. these guys are freestyling and make pretty complicated meter and ryhme schemes at points...

turntables are also quite hard.. have you heard the xecutioners? they did that video with mike from linkin park, they make whole songs are scratching, and they change pitch and what not too! amazing stuff

Hey hey! Someone that agrees with me! :D

Dude, rap freakin sucks......

However it's hard to argue with that logic... :rolleyes:

Jamezo: I would quote yours but I'm just far too lazy. It's the mainstream rap that you mentioned that everyone here talks about. I agree, most of the rap music today (in fact, just about every genre of music) is watered down to the point that it's barely listenable. It is all about the image, and without the image, there's no product to sell. But, if people listened to the indie and underground rap as much as they do the indie and underground metal and rock, there wouldn't be comments like many of the ones we've seen on this board.

[sweeppicker308]

personally I don't like rap give me a good ol six string anyday and I'll give you something that has more meaning and touches the soul more
rap =crap

[popmusic_sux]

I'd take good rap over metal any day.

[68Mustang]

I'd take good rap over metal any day.


whoa pop, whoa whoa whoa....slow down there chiefy...slowwwwwww down...

Rap over Metal? it must certainly depend on what kind of metal...

Rap over Megadeth/Maiden/Priest/BLS/Bodom/Tallica? ...I didn't think so... :mad2:

[popmusic_sux]

Actually, yes. I would pick good rap over Megadeth/Maiden/Priest/BLS/Bodom/Tallica.

[68Mustang]

Actually, yes. I would pick good rap over Megadeth/Maiden/Priest/BLS/Bodom/Tallica.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

You...used to be...my...IDOL...:cry:...but now...things will never be the same... :cry:

What can I say? :confused:

[x3roXL]

What can I say? :confused:
You can say go to hell

[popmusic_sux]

The only 'Tallica song I actually like is One and I don't have a single album from any of the other bands you listed.

[sum1]

if you only listened to the rock you saw on tv, or heard on popular stations, you would be saying similiar things about rock right now, "a bunch of angsty teenagers complaining over and over again, why would you want to listen to that? the guitar is just the same chord strummed over" but then you look deeper and you find a world of good music.. same thing with rap.. if you listen to what you see on tv then i agree it mostly sucks.. but if you look deeper.. theres some great stuff

[ibleedmarshall]

if you only listened to the rock you saw on tv, or heard on popular stations, you would be saying similiar things about rock right now, "a bunch of angsty teenagers complaining over and over again, why would you want to listen to that? the guitar is just the same chord strummed over" but then you look deeper and you find a world of good music.. same thing with rap.. if you listen to what you see on tv then i agree it mostly sucks.. but if you look deeper.. theres some great stuff

EXCELLENT POST!

[x3roXL]

if you only listened to the rock you saw on tv, or heard on popular stations, you would be saying similiar things about rock right now, "a bunch of angsty teenagers complaining over and over again, why would you want to listen to that? the guitar is just the same chord strummed over" but then you look deeper and you find a world of good music.. same thing with rap.. if you listen to what you see on tv then i agree it mostly sucks.. but if you look deeper.. theres some great stuff
Wow, I commend you on this one. Nothing to argue with on this post.

[68Mustang]

You can say go to hell

Okay.

*says it*

:cry: :( :cry: :(

[popmusic_sux]

I probably will, at least if there really is a Hell

(but this is neither the time nor the place for a theological debate.)

[SPEEDFREEK24]

The only 'Tallica song I actually like is One and I don't have a single album from any of the other bands you listed.pop, if you have no albums by any of these other bands... what exactly are you basing that on?
i will entitle anyone to their own opinion, and ask only the same from them...
that said, i have little to no respect for what has become rap culture. busta rhymes, jay Z, eminem, notorious b.i.g., tupac (yes, tupac), snoop dogg, i have no respect for the 'art' created by these guys. yes, i will admit that there is a level of difficulty to performing the lyrics, but to me the writing itself is typical and uninspired. HOWEVER, if one looks at the roots of rap music: reggae, i actually quite enjoy it and have a slight collection of underground reggae albums. actually theres a dude in my area, Louie Martin. ive seen him live a good number of times, and played a show with him last spring where i got to jam with him. the guy can play bongos like you wouldnt believe. but the point is, he pays no lyricist, he writes inspired instrumental tracks THEN his lyrics... he thinks of the song he's writing as a whole, rather than repeating near-cloned beats and progressions in each of his tracks.
another is Jah Pickney, actually he went to my high school a few years back. another crazy bongo player. let me tell you, you wanna get laid? put on a jah pickney album :D
i guess my point is that all forms of music, when over populized, become shat. punk is the same way, once kick ass and rebellious(dead kennedies, sex pistols) it has become homogenized and repetetive, with little to distinguish between bands. dig deep, find the roots, and there you may judge.

[x3roXL]

have little to no respect for what has become rap culture. busta rhymes, jay Z, eminem,
Eminem has talent... he can even play guitar... well...

I don't like him but I still respect him as a musican... I don't think rap is music though.

[popmusic_sux]

pop, if you have no albums by any of these other bands... what exactly are you basing that on?

I've ehard plenty omf songs by those bands and haven't really liked any somgs so I see no point in purchasing an album.

As for the rest of what you said, I can't refute anything, you stated your opinion well and I think it's valid.

[Ghost]

I've ehard plenty omf songs by those bands and haven't really liked any somgs so I see no point in purchasing an album.

As for the rest of what you said, I can't refute anything, you stated your opinion well and I think it's valid.

Here pop, your a nice guy, so I figured I would do a little search for you and here you go:

http://www.planetrap.net/forums/

:cool: This forum should suit your needs better

(I'm just kidding of course, but saying the ANY rap is better than Iron Maiden...that's some kind of...sin)

[68Mustang]

alrite, guys, enough. although i am the most unlikely person to tell people to stop picking on people who like rap, pop and his choices deserve some respect. after all - he's got the highest post count.


I just saw Scarface for the first time, on DVD. I am truly shaken and i feel like being nice to everyone. :eek:

[ibleedmarshall]

I just saw Scarface for the first time, on DVD. I am truly shaken and i feel like being nice to everyone. :eek:

"Say 'ello to my 'ittle friend!" "Filthy ****aroach!"

[68Mustang]

"Say 'ello to my 'ittle friend!" "Filthy ****aroach!"

Yah man...wow...Then the guy walks up behind him and blows chunks out of his chest with that shotgun...
He was doing mountains of coke by the end of the movie...crazy bastard...
I still can't get over the chainsaw part...cold hearted bastard, can't save his friend...And then when Soares got tossed out of the helicopter and hung by that crazy assassin...wow...

If you haven't seen this movie, do it. And be nice to Pop.

[Trey]

Yah man...wow...Then the guy walks up behind him and blows chunks out of his chest with that shotgun...
He was doing mountains of coke by the end of the movie...crazy bastard...
I still can't get over the chainsaw part...cold hearted bastard, can't save his friend...And then when Soares got tossed out of the helicopter and hung by that crazy assassin...wow...

If you haven't seen this movie, do it. And be nice to Pop.

Damn good movie, you sohuld checkout GoodFellas also if you've never seen it. Not quite as violent as Scarface, but one helluva gangsta flick(better than the Godfather if you ask me)

[sum1]

Eminem is a true musical genius.. one of the most creative people ive ever seen.. just watch is video mosh for proof of this.. its on his website and even though i dont agree with his political observations it is still a very amazing and creative video.. i cant even describe it.. and his ryhmes are simply amazing a lot...

here ill even provide the link for you.. just give it a chance
http://www.rapbasement.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1071

theres lots of symbolism and a big surprise at the end


oh yeah and scarface is a kick ass movie

[Jamezo]

must...resist....urge......to........kick........a ss..........

[Improv]

i really dont like rap. mainly because its the same thing over and over. also i dont like what they are saying in the lyrics.

[Achtung]

Nope, simply because I don't like how it sounds. The lyrics don't appeal to me either.

[crabnatch89]

Rage against the Machine was awsome, and they were rap... some old school rap can be fairly cool. I hate the new hip hop/rap crap.

[kobashii]

Chili peppers does some rap.

[popmusic_sux]

What about Barenaked Ladies? Wasn't that song "One Week" almost rap? :p